Development Consultation forum – Land west of the crematorium, Bartons Road.

Forum 45 – Land West of the Crematorium, Bartons Road, Havant

Proposal – 81 new homes plus ancillary open space, including community orchard. The community orchard, open space and drainage details include land within East Hampshire District Council.

Tuesday 14 August 2018, Council Chamber, Public Service Plaza, Display from 5.30pm, Meeting 6.00-8.00pm

Case Officer: David Eaves

Whilst this is outside our specific area of interest, it’s another instance of proposed greenfield development and would impinge on the present peaceful setting of The Oaks crematorium.

Location plan

Briefing notes

39 West Street – Shouldn’t HBC practice what they preach?

One of today’s responses to the HSBC / Pizza takeaway planning application had me running for the search engines to find the source, and here it is.   Dating from as recently as November 2017, the HBC ‘Healthy Borough Assessment’ is well worth a read.

The whole of Section 3 – Planning and Health – is germane to the debate about fast food in the town centre while the paragraph (3.19) quoted by this clearly well-informed resident sums up the Council’s thinking on fast food in the town centre.

“Havant scores significantly worse than the England average against the excess weight in adults indicator (2012-2014). Figure 1 below also shows parts of Havant to have a high number of fast food outlets compared to other areas. Together, these statistics point to a justification for a policy restricting fast food outlets in Havant Town Centre.”

To provide a balanced view, I’ve completed the quote here with the remainder of the paragraph:

“However it is also true that hot food takeaways (A5) are not the only source of unhealthy food in town centres. A number of shops (A1) can also provide unhealthy take-away food choices as well. Furthermore, such a restriction would do nothing to address the health of the existing take-away choices on offer. Such an approach would benefit from an update to the Use Classes Order in order to specifically identify uses which could provide unhealthy choices.


It’s encouraging to see that the Council is clearly considering the health and welfare of its residents as they plan for our future.  It’s no wonder then, that the Local Plan 2036 clearly proposes moving fast food out of the town centre in favour of “other uses which promote activity and have not traditionally been part of a town centre offer such as gyms or healthcare…”

With this in mind, the current application for 39 West Street should surely be turned down flat? The detail of opening hours becomes simply an irrelevant diversion.

(In fairness, this is a personal view and not necessarily the view of the Havant Civic Society)


39 West Street – Welcome support received

With regard to the planning application for the former HSBC site, currently highlighted on our home page, we are delighted to announce that within hours of our comments on the application being submitted, we have received confirmation that Councillor Tim Pike, representing St Faith’s Ward, has received and understood our concerns and has already asked that this application be referred to to the full Development Management Committee meeting.

While we thank Tim for his support, we would caution readers that this is far from the end of the matter.  Please review the original editorial comment on the home page and take the time to understand the issues which concern us. If you share our concerns, please exercise your right to comment by taking this link and submitting your comments before the closing date on August 17th.  In this way, the Development Management Committee will be in possession of your concerns in addition to those already already raised.

Plans for 39 West Street

There has been healthy debate among the members of the Havant Civic Society committee over the Havant Borough Council planning decision process.  In particular, the following paragraph has come under particular focus:

“It is not always necessary for an application to be decided by the Development Management Committee.  In most minor and non-controversial proposals, decisions are made by the Head of Planning, under what is known as ‘delegated powers’ “

The corollary of this is that an application listed for decision under ‘delegated powers’ should be a ‘minor and non-controversial’ application that does not require debate by the full planning committee.P1120056The planning application which has generated this discussion concerns the former HSBC bank site on the corner of West Street and Park Road South, an application we first highlighted on this site on July 28th.  Whether you view this application as ‘minor’ and ‘non-controversial’ probably depends on whether or not you live within the town centre . Those outside St Faiths might indeed view this change as minor, while residents of St Faith’s would have strong justification for believing it to be both ‘significant’ and ‘controversial’.

The application is for “Change of use from a former bank (Class A2) to a hot food takeaway (Class A5); installation of extraction/ventilation equipment and other minor external alterations”.

We draw your attention in particular to the proposed hours of opening, section 19 of the planning application document:

For the sake of clarity, that reads ‘Monday to Saturday, 09:00 am til 02:00 am, Sunday, 09:00 am til 01:00 am’.

(We note that the Design and Access Statement submitted on behalf of local landowner and developer Geo & R Carrell Properties Ltd. actually proposes slightly different  hours, but the impact on residents is broadly the same)

We are pleased to see that a number of comments have already been submitted by local residents and businesses and have just submitted our considered objections in good time for the closing date for comments which is August 17th.  We are also contacting the Ward Councillors in order to ensure that the decision process is appropriately informed.

The HCS Committee view is that there are sufficient formal grounds to object to this application and we believe that public debate on this is important.

With reference to the 186 pages of the currently adopted Local Plan, we believe the application falls foul of the following development policies:

DM5 Control of Class A3, A4 and A5 Food, Drink and Entertainment Uses. (Page 128)

“Criteria 5 – …indiscriminate customer parking and/or traffic
movement that would be likely to create hazards for traffic or pedestrians”

“Criteria 6 – …unacceptable disturbance to the occupiers of nearby residential property at times when activity in the immediate vicinity would otherwise be at a relatively quiet level.”

DM14 Car and Cycle Parking on Development (excluding residential)

“Development will only be permitted where it provides parking for cars, motor cycles and cycles in accordance with the relevant standards. Such parking provision must be appropriately located in relation to the development and be practical for its intended use.”

Policy C8 in the Draft Local Plan 2036 (page 309) will update and replace DM5, and equivalent criteria regarding ‘unacceptable disturbance’ are in already place.

In a further reference to the Draft Local Plan, table 1 on page 14, presents a strategy in which hot food take-aways are clearly and sensibly moved away from the core of the town centres.

Town Centre Strategy

Curiously, this table does not include reference to policy KS1, relating to Havant Town Centre.  Looking at the detail of Policy KS1, paragraph 3.16 is particularly appropriate.

“In the future, development will be supported that diversifies the types of uses in this area. Together with retail, other uses which promote activity and have not  traditionally been part of a town centre offer such as gyms or healthcare will be supported. The Council will also support proposals which help retain and enhance the outdoor markets which take place in West Street.”

(Note – the italics are ours)

In summary, no matter how the decision is made, the question of ‘unacceptable disturbance to nearby residents’ is paramount.  To place the application in context, consider that McDonalds operates from 6:00 AM til 9:00 PM daily.  Granting later opening hours in the increasingly residential core of the historic town would set a very dangerous precedent which others would surely wish to follow.

Time here is of the essence since the decision on this application is due to be made on August 17th.  If you share our concerns, we would urge you to take the following actions:

  1. Use your right to comment on the application by taking this link.
  2. Contact your ward Councillor and ask them to ensure that this application is referred for proper debate. Your councillor’s email address can be found on this page of the HBC site.

Latest planning applications – July 28th 2018.

Two of this week’s planning applications have attracted our attention, both in West Street.

The first, is for the former HSBC site on the corner of West Street and Park Road South and is for a “Change of use from a former bank (Class A2) to a hot food takeaway (Class A5).”

Apart from ” does Havant really need another fast food outlet?”, the serious concern is the amount of litter that these types of operation generate, which doesn’t get cleaned up rapidly enough and leaves a poor impression on visitors.

Former HSBC site

The second is an outline application, for the erection of three, two bed dwellings on land to the rear of 70-76 West Street.

This a brownfield site which, in part, lies to the rear of the former Cobden Arms public house. At first glance, this seems a sensible use of what is currently wasteland. However, we would welcome any informed comments via the website  or by email to

Land to the rear of 70-76 West Street

Twentieth Century Society on Havant

Back in April the local branch of The Twentieth Century Society organised a walk round Havant, when HCS were represented by committee member Christopher Evans. A report of the walk has recently been published on the Twentieth Century Society’s own website. To read and learn more about some of our local buildings, click on the link below.

Twentieth Century Society visits Havant

Prince George Street – 21 new apartments

There’s an interesting planning application registered with HBC for the construction of 21  one and two bedroom apartments in a 2 storey extension fronting onto Prince George Street.  This would follow demolition of the rear part of the North Street Arcade.

These artist’s impressions show the retention of the frontage on North Street with the  new arc of three storey building behind.

To view and comment on the detail of this planning application, please follow this link.

Colt – ‘We’re backing Britain’, fifty years on

It’s a sad day for those of us who remember New Lane in the heady days of the late sixties.

In 1968, my first real ‘summer holiday’ employer, Kenwood Manufacturing, was supporting Colt in their famous staff initiative.  Boxes of Kenwood Chefs, Kenwood Mini foodmixers and the first ill-fated Kenwood Dishwashers left the plant with ‘I’m Backing Britain’ stickers lovingly applied.

Fred Price had been the mastermind behind Colt’s ‘I’m Backing Britain’ message, and with Kenwood’s staff quickly joining the movement it wasn’t long before New Lane and its predominantly West Leigh workforce were the focus of national news bulletins.  Lying between Kenwood in the south and Colt in the north were Goodman’s Industries, a once respected name in the British HiFi market.


Fifty years on, none of these companies manufacture in New Lane.  The Goodmans site was razed to the ground some years ago, Kenwoods has long been a warehouse operation for imported Chinese manufacturing while Colt moved their administrative offices up the road to Petersfield and their manufacturing ‘offshore’.

Love it or hate it, the Colt office building at the north end of New Lane was an iconic sixties structure.  Until today, that is.  The photograph below was taken this morning while the New Lane frontage was still there. By this evening, the machinery had moved large chunks of the frontage out, waiting for the concrete crushers that will be running for many weeks to come.


In its place, another development plan that will continue to have its fair share of public debate.  In years to come, some of us may begin to wonder why we didn’t campaign to get this building listed.

It’s a kind of Tricorn / Marmite thing.

(In fairness, this is a personal view and not necessarily the view of the Havant Civic Society)


HCS Response to 40 Acres development plan

While some might consider this application outside of the Havant Civic Society remit, we believe that the application poses important issues to the wider Havant community.   Havant Civic Society supports our Bedhampton peer groups and we’ve now submitted our own response to the application for development on this site.

To read the HCS response, please take this link. The letter will be displayed in a new browser window.